Cam Gore: Who should the Sharks buyout?

Havlat is not being bought out, so lets end the conversation there.


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Cam Gore: Who should the Sharks buyout?
- CamGore

Havlat is the only shark who should be bought out, dont know if he will or not. I dont think he is tradeable with his salary though.

I see no reason to buy out Burish, he's worth the money and I dont think there would be any problem finding a trade partner if it was necessary. He's not paid for his offensive production anyway.

Havlat is not being bought out, so lets end the conversation there.


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- Orange Julius

Why would he not be bought out? Use the amnesty and get rid of a guy that isn't producing much while on the ice and he is off the ice more than he is on. 5 million dollar bench warmers need to go away. That 5 million can go into a couple of solid players to get some secondary scoring. There is no good argument to keep Havlat here.

Why would he not be bought out? Use the amnesty and get rid of a guy that isn't producing much while on the ice and he is off the ice more than he is on. 5 million dollar bench warmers need to go away. That 5 million can go into a couple of solid players to get some secondary scoring. There is no good argument to keep Havlat here.
- Ryman

He would be a goner if my name was Doug Wilson.

Why would he not be bought out? Use the amnesty and get rid of a guy that isn't producing much while on the ice and he is off the ice more than he is on. 5 million dollar bench warmers need to go away. That 5 million can go into a couple of solid players to get some secondary scoring. There is no good argument to keep Havlat here.
- Ryman

Agreed. No-brainer IMO.

Why would he not be bought out? Use the amnesty and get rid of a guy that isn't producing much while on the ice and he is off the ice more than he is on. 5 million dollar bench warmers need to go away. That 5 million can go into a couple of solid players to get some secondary scoring. There is no good argument to keep Havlat here.
- Ryman

Agree. He has only hit the 30 goal mark once in his career and hasn't hit the 25 goal mark in the last 4 years. He is injured way too often and can't be counted upon consistently and offers very little to the Sharks overall. The Sharks are always a good team but are clearly lacking depth along the top four lines and buying out Martin would free up plenty of cap space.


2009-10 MIN 73 18 36 54

2010-11 MIN 78 22 40 62

2011-12 SJ 39 7 20 27

2012-13 SJ 40 8 10 18

"Havlat has been a disappointment and is most likely a trade that GM Wilson would want back. "


Cam - you do recall the body going the other way was Heatley right? Or do Sharks fans see Heatley in a different light from the rest of the league's fans?

I don't think the Sharks are in a good position for next year's cap at all. 8 players at 1 mil per year average = more of the same bottom 6 woes for the Sharks.

"Havlat has been a disappointment and is most likely a trade that GM Wilson would want back. "


Cam - you do recall the body going the other way was Heatley right? Or do Sharks fans see Heatley in a different light from the rest of the league's fans?
- magmoo

I'd still make the same trade. Heater is on the buy out list also.

I'd still make the same trade. Heater is on the buy out list also.
- Ryman

Thanks for restoring my faith in Sharks fans. I agree Dany is probably done with the Wild.

EDIT: Looking at CapGeek, Heater is definitely done. They're right against next year's cap with 18 players.

Gotta be Havlat. No need for him especially if Burns reamins a forward.

Why would he not be bought out? Use the amnesty and get rid of a guy that isn't producing much while on the ice and he is off the ice more than he is on. 5 million dollar bench warmers need to go away. That 5 million can go into a couple of solid players to get some secondary scoring. There is no good argument to keep Havlat here.
- Ryman

Not even a bench warmer.....

Just taking up space in the press box.

Sharks should trade for another teams buyout and get an asset back along with it.

I.E Leafs 2nd and Komi for Sharks 5th

Sharks should trade for another teams buyout and get an asset back along with it.

I.E Leafs 2nd and Komi for Sharks 5th
- Meeqsb

So basically their owner has to spend multiple millions of dollars for a 2nd rounder??

Thats not a good idea; at least not business wise. I doubt any owner would do this...unless they have money to literally burn. Then again...some do...

So basically their owner has to spend multiple millions of dollars for a 2nd rounder??

Thats not a good idea; at least not business wise. I doubt any owner would do this...unless they have money to literally burn. Then again...some do...
- BodyCheckRadio

Komi would only come out to like 3 mil I think. I am not talking like DP numbers but for a strong asset I think it could be worth it. Look at all of the great players taken in the 2nd round.

If the sharks think their window to win a cup is now and you can add an asset I think you should at least consider it.

Sharks should trade for another teams buyout and get an asset back along with it.

I.E Leafs 2nd and Komi for Sharks 5th
- Meeqsb

Leafs are comfortable with cap room right now unless their RFAs shoot for big increases or another big salary comes in. And it's not like the Leafs don't have the money to spend on buyouts if they want. We'll keep our 2nd thanks.

Leafs are comfortable with cap room right now unless their RFAs shoot for big increases or another big salary comes in. And it's not like the Leafs don't have the money to spend on buyouts if they want. We'll keep our 2nd thanks.
- magmoo

Keep Komi too please

Keep Komi too please
- FinAddict

It's actually impressive that the Sharks only have one obvious candidate for buyout and even better that his name isn't Goldmez.

Cam Gore: Who should the Sharks buyout?
- CamGore

Can't buy Havlat out. He'll still be on the IR just like David Booth who the Canucks can't buyout if they wanted to. Burish was very effective in the playoffs but he's not worth 1.8. He's tradeable though.

Why would he not be bought out? Use the amnesty and get rid of a guy that isn't producing much while on the ice and he is off the ice more than he is on. 5 million dollar bench warmers need to go away. That 5 million can go into a couple of solid players to get some secondary scoring. There is no good argument to keep Havlat here.
- Ryman

Well, the Sharks as well all know havent gone into free agency to pick up a top 6 winger for a long time, I cant remember the last time?? So right there is a sign. Number two its going to cost the org $6.6M to buy him out so adding a free agent for 6 years is going to cost an additional $1M per year, without a cap hit but someone has to pick up that tab.

I think it will be important for him to be here if Hertl makes the team at some point. Havlat can guide him to a small degree. If anything Havlat will get another year to show what he can do and if he can not stay on the team, he will be bought out for his last year and it will only cost the Sharks $3.3M.

If he's bought out, who can the Sharks target to fill in the RW spot that can play either the 2nd/3rd line? There are some names but some will cost a pretty penny...

Notable UFA RW's:

Nathan Horton-Gonna command big bucks $5+M for 5yrs

Jaromir Jagr-Age hasnt quite caught him but his speed has ($4M per /2yr min)

Jarome Iginla-Can still produce but is not very good in his own end ($4M+/3yr min)

Micheal Ryder-I think is very underrated; could be a good deal ($4M per/3yr min)

David Clarkson-Probably the most overrated and will be over paid ($5M per/5yr min)

Pascal Dupuis-Can still keep up being 35 yrs old but can he do it w/out Crosby? ($3M/2yr min)

Damien Brunner-DET is going to do everything to sign him ($3.5M/3yr min)

Chad LaRose-More of your typical 3rd liner can put the puck in the net ($2.5M/3yr min)

Ryan Jones-Has been a proven 15 goal scorer, but....($2M/3yrs)

Viktor Stalberg-Lots of people like him, I dont buy into the koolaid. He's big and fast w/ some scoring ability, ideal tweener player, but he tends to disappear when the going gets tough. Has been invisible during the playoffs and the Sharks had been knocked for having players like that. ($3M/3yrs)

Can't buy Havlat out. He'll still be on the IR just like David Booth who the Canucks can't buyout if they wanted to. Burish was very effective in the playoffs but he's not worth 1.8. He's tradeable though.
- therealagent

Havlat was never put on the IR, he played during the playoffs and was a scratch for the rest.

I don't think the Sharks are in a good position for next year's cap at all. 8 players at 1 mil per year average = more of the same bottom 6 woes for the Sharks.
- ODalton

Where are you getting this? Sharks are fine cap wise including giving raises to their RFA's in Galiardi, Demers, Sheppard, and Desjardins. The will have enough to retain Torres and sign other UFA's such as backup goalie Alex Stalock and possibly 7th D Nick Petrecki.

Here:
FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.250m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Raffi Torres ($2.250m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Tommy Wingels ($0.775m)
James Sheppard ($0.875m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.705m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($4.250m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Matt Irwin ($1.000m) / Dan Boyle ($6.667m)
Brad Stuart ($3.600m) / Jason Demers ($1.400m)
Nick Petrecki ($0.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Alex Stalock ($0.650m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,406,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,893,333

I've said this every year for the last 3 years, but this year it applies more than ever, it's time to rebuild. The Sharks are not going to win the cup with this core group. Hang on to Pavelski, Burns, Niemi and Couture, but as far as I'm concerned, everyone else should be expendable.

Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle have as high a value now as they ever will again in their careers. Time to get rid of them and add some younger talent and draft picks. The Sharks cupboard is empty at the moment and considering that this group won't win, the future isn't looking bright either. That could be fixed with a few major trades now to get younger and faster.